posted at 29.10.2008, 19:01

Matchpage : http://dota.kode5.com/en/cup/2/match/299/

From those rules :

3.9. Teams that are not cooperative when it comes to the scheduling process or simply do not show up will be disqualified immediately.

3.10. When both teams agreed on a matchdate one member of each team has to post respectively validate it on the matchpage using the comment function. Please remember to also add a specific location (Garena [recommended], MSN, IRC) where your teams are going to meet. Please take into consideration that the process of looking for a host / ping-checking a host / banning & picking takes A LOT of time and should be done 45 minutes before the actual match is scheduled. The post you should finally write on the matchpage looks similar to the following lines: “Team A agrees to play at October, 30th 2009 22:00 CET. We will meet in the Kode5.dota tournament room (Garena) @ 21:15 CET for bans and picks/looking for a host).” – “Team B agrees on the proposal of Team A.”).

3.11. The team captain is responsible for at least one member being online a minimum of 45 minutes before the match in order to look for a suitable host.



Team Valhalla didn't show up for pick&ban/looking for host process in the combined time.
They neither confirm the matchday which we marked to play neither said in which place we should meet and didn't talk with us, for too long ,to adjust it.
The greatest problem is that today is the last day to play and we can't play in another moment.

Ps : Look the last comment they writed in matchpage:
"
Vha|Cybernegro: 23.10.08 | 01:11 | #9


sorry we cant make this friday so well have to play wednesday 29th 18:00 GMT."

Let's consider it as the time marked for the game and from the rule 3.11 , at least one member should show up 45 mins before to looking for suitable host.
So , we request the rule "3.17. If your opponent does not show up more than 30 minutes after the agreed time, you can request a default win. Please remember that you have to proof to the admins that your opponent did not show up in time. Consider taking screenshots showing the meeting point you agreed on and an unmodifiable clock like http://www.atomzeit.eu/."

The screenshot proving the mistake from the Team Valhalla is right in the link :
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3284/imagemiy4.jpg

Please, avaliate this admin.

posted at 29.10.2008, 19:45

Another screenshot 30 MINS AFTER the time combined for the game from their last comment on match page :

"Vha|Cybernegro: 23.10.08 | 01:11 | #9


sorry we cant make this friday so well have to play wednesday 29th 18:00 GMT."

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4711/defwindq8.jpg

Ps : In the chat , I asked if someone from Valhalla team was there. No one answered ,as You can see I writed "..." 2 minutes after the question.

By now , we can't play anymore because one of our team member is going to work.

posted at 29.10.2008, 20:10

We also asked them in the matchpage where they were ...but no responses .
If they hadn't delayied this much , we could play... It's their fault.
Please avaliate it as fast as possible before finishes the round #2 and set default loss for both team . *.*

Thanks.

posted at 29.10.2008, 20:16

well discuss your case. please be a little patient.

quazer

posted at 29.10.2008, 23:53

Let's get the facts straight.




Vha|Cybernegro: 23.10.08 | 01:11 | #9


sorry we cant make this friday so well have to play wednesday 29th 18:00 GMT.


We were waiting for a response, you said and I'm quoting your last post.

Sorry , I made a mistake...
Correcting :
Team Ovo Esquerdo agrees to play at October, 29th 2008 20:00 CET. We will meet in the Kode5.dota tournament room (Garena) @ 19:15 CET for bans and picks/looking for a host.

Doesn't even make any sense at all, we said we could play at 18:00 GMT, that's 6:00 PM. Meaning at Brasil should be 22:00 GMT, that's 10:00 PM.

According to our schedule and our time right now, it's 4:47 PM on Mexico, and 8:47 on Brazil, meaning the time we schedule for the game hasn't even started.

We NEVER intended to miss the match, you said an entirely different schedule. We can play still, instead of using such resources to win, consider we never said we agreed to their misleading time for the match, and at least you now have heard our side of the history.

Thanks for your time.
ArchEnemy

posted at 30.10.2008, 00:11

"Doesn't even make any sense at all, we said we could play at 18:00 GMT, that's 6:00 PM. Meaning at Brasil should be 22:00 GMT, that's 10:00 PM."

GMT is a unique time for all countries.You said a wrong time to play , so the fault is yours.

All my team was waiting in Kode5 DotA room for yours at 15:00 (a hour before the match starts) as 18:00 GMT is 16:00 BRST , You didn't show up in time.

And now its too late to play.
Any question , Admin can check the Matchpage to make their own conclusion.

posted at 30.10.2008, 00:16

Whatever , 22:00 in Brazil is already 30th October in CET time and the Round is already finished.
Your team was unprepared and there are a lot of sites about time zones if you have any question about , but it's not a point of discusion by the way. You had 6 days to fix your error as I did , but missed communication from your team.
The error was yours and so , the fault.
You informed wrong , I acept with 18:00 GMT but I confirmed it as a CET time to follow the model proposed in the rules.
We are not using "those resources" to win , Those are just facts , we were ready to play , but the error was YOURS.

posted at 30.10.2008, 00:20

Yes now i know what GMT means. Im sorry, i was trying to say 18:00pm our time that would be 18:00 GMT+6, we are now aware of that. But we want to make this match happen. Our team has much offer to this tournament and dont think its fair that we lose like this. If the administrators agree we are available to anyday anytime that team ovo esquerdo wants to.

posted at 30.10.2008, 00:33

The rules are obvious. The #2 round finishes at 29th October 23:59 CET , as I have the reason ,I don't agree to remark this match because our time is short and gonna prejudicate the 3rd round match. Any team can say "they have much to offer in this tournament".The mistake was yours and this is the penalty for your miss of attention.

posted at 30.10.2008, 00:41

Admins please note that if u give them the default win this would be their second default win, and even though it was our mistake we want to do everything that we can to play this match, it could be today, its not too late or maybe tomorrow in any time team ovo esquerdo decides. Please take this post in consideration.

posted at 30.10.2008, 00:53

We are not able to play today or tomorrow , It's so close day/time , and I have to inform all my team members also check if THEY CAN.I can't coontinue to discuss anymore because I got things to do.
Just follow the rules to make justice .ANY team that not showed up in time can ask for a match if they failed to follow the rules but it's not allowed.
No more .
The fact of 2 default wins are because 2 teams failed to show up in the correct time , we are just following the rules.And It's not argumment for you to convince Admins that We are wrong (really not).

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:02

By the way , I disbanded lot of things to do today just for this game , and You didn't show up .Made us wait.
And now , You wanna play one game that is not into the rules and into the time of #2 Round:

# Round of 256: Oct, 23rd – Oct, 29th
29.10.2008, 23:59 CET (Round of 256)

If You didn't see , i can rewrite all the rules.
Let Admins make their decision by now please.

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:14

first of all yes we gave an incorrect hour, but also we never agreed to play 29Th 20:00 GTM cause its too early for us, thats 4:00 Pm here and we cannot play but after 6:00 due to our shcool/job thats why we set that time, also u guys said at the beginning of round 2 that u wanted to play on the weekend, we were more that able to play saturday or sunday or any day except friday but u said that u could only make wednesday, so we agreed, what if we could not play wednesday?? you are the one thats making it hard for this match to happen, all we want to do is play this and let the better team make it to the next round. and i think its not too late to play this match.

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:27

1.If you couldn't play today , I would ask for Admin to force a time for the game.
2.I'm making it hard to happen because it is a game out of rules as You've broken them.
3.And yes , It's too late , as You can see along all I've already writed in this topic.
-We are not able to play
-The time for #2 round games is closed
-The mistake was yours.Also I don't know if my team can play in your suggested days.

Ps: It's not 20:00 GMT , It's 18:00.

* *

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:31

Truth is we never intended to MISS the match. We want to play, as we already stated several times.

Yes.. I'm fully aware of the rules, but please notice that we never agreed to play at your time given, you just assumed that we wanted to play in that time hence the confusion. All we wanna do is play the game, and get over with it. Mistakes can happen, it's not like we wanted to be that way or did it on purpose.

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:35

Please,
Just make the rule "3.9. Teams that are not cooperative when it comes to the scheduling process or simply do not show up will be disqualified immediately." come true.
It should be disqualification immediately. Why it's taking too long for this ? I've already proved with screenshots and also proved that they were wrong.
The case is decided in my point of view.

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:40

I ask admin to force a date for the match.
1. We didn't break the rules, we just never agreed to the time you set and we were confused by the time zones.
2. just because u posted that we did not show up at the time u said(which we never agreed) does not make it our mistake.

ps. after you changed the date 3 times on your last post u said u could play 20:00 CET thats 19:00 GMT right?

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:40

Quote - "Truth is we never intended to MISS the match. We want to play, as we already stated several times.

Yes.. I'm fully aware of the rules, but please notice that we never agreed to play at your time given, you just assumed that we wanted to play in that time hence the confusion. All we wanna do is play the game, and get over with it. Mistakes can happen, it's not like we wanted to be that way or did it on purpose.

"

Notice that YOU had given the time for the match , between the time We could play. I just acepted with this , look :

"Vha|Cybernegro: 23.10.08 | 01:11 | #9


sorry we cant make this friday so well have to play wednesday 29th 18:00 GMT."

And then , I confirmed.
This is enought.

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:44

We have been cooperative from the beggining about scheduling.

co⋅op⋅er⋅a⋅tive
   /koʊˈɒpərətɪv, -ˈɒprətɪv, -ˈɒpəˌreɪtɪv/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [koh-op-er-uh-tiv, -op-ruh-tiv, -op-uh-rey-tiv] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. working or acting together willingly for a common purpose or benefit.

That's right, working or acting TOGETHER. We already acknowledge that there was a little confusion about the scheduling, but that doesn't mean we didn't COOPERATE.

Didn't show up?, We could apply the same to you using the same logic. You also didn't show at the time we were ready to play. You fail to understand that this was a total miscommunication from both thems and you're obviously eager to prove that you deserve to pass to the next round without the effort.

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:47

I changed the time 3x but they are all the same : don't matter if It's 18:00 or 19:00 GMT , both Times you weren't Online.You just answered my question : "Where You are guys?" in the matchpage 3 HOURS LATER THE COMBINED TIME!!
And the third time: it was just a correction with self explanation , as You can see in matchpage.

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:53

And It's not about COOPERATION
Its about simply do not show up .

You can't apply the same "logic" for that , because the time you planned for the match was OUT of 29th 23:59 CET. And It's not simply "You didn't show in time We were ready to play" , lol , We must combine one time at matchpage, AS WE DID AND YOU WEREN'T ONLINE IN THE ALREADY SCHEDULED TIME.

And pass to the next round is just a consequece of your fault.

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:53

We didnt answer because most of us dont arrive home but after 6:00 pm (18:00 GMT+6) as my partner stated before, and it was made in the time that you set but we never agreed.

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:58

22:00 here (Brazil) and 18:00 (Mexico) is 30th 01:00 CET.
It's not between the aceptable time in rules for #2 Round.
That's the time You thought we could play , another prove that you didn't read the rules.

posted at 30.10.2008, 01:58

Again, you fail to see my point. We wanted to play 18:00 PM Mexico's time. That would be 22:00 Brazil's time. (4 hours of difference) This was a whole misunderstanding among both teams.

That's the reason we posted at that time, 'cause with our time given match wasn't even close on time yet.

posted at 30.10.2008, 02:04

lol. You didn't say anything as well. You simply assumed that we WANTED to play at your time given, which by the way we never AGREED.


Vha|Cybernegro: 23.10.08 | 01:11 | #9


sorry we cant make this friday so well have to play wednesday 29th 18:00 GMT.

'We'll have to play' it's not the same as confirming or saying 'I agree'

You took hands on the matter and took actions without looking both sides of the coin, hence why we're in this current situation right now.

posted at 30.10.2008, 02:05

The agreed time showed in the Matchpage is 18:00 GMT , Anyone who acess http://dota.kode5.com/en/cup/2/match/299/ can check this , as your own team wrote.
Arriving home before 6:00 pm or not is your problem .As I said , i disbanded lot of thing to do for playing like all other members of my team.

And Yes , You didn't agreed , but YOU SUGGESTED this time. Admins can just acess the page and check it (18:00 GMT said by Vha|Cybernegro )

And we confirmed, so the time about the match was already decided.Any modification You should warn us before the time you set.You had 6 days to do it. You had 6 days to see if the time zone is correct. You had 6 days to remark any time you want.

No more.

posted at 30.10.2008, 02:16

I won't reafirm anything that I already said , The fault is yours. You said that you could play at 18:00 GMT , IT'S NOT 18:00 IN MEXICO , HERE IS THE ERROR THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR.AND YOU DIDN'T SHOW UP IN THE TIME YOU SET.

BY OTHER SIDE , YOU JUST REWRITED ANOTHER MESSAGE IN MATCHPAGE AFTER THE TIME FOR #2 ROUND WAS ALREADY CLOSED.OR NEAR IT , (Vha|Maverick: 29.10.08 | 22:43 | #14) CONSIDERING WE HAVE TO FIND A NEUTRAL AND SUITABLE HOST , SET PICKS/BANS AND ALL THAT , IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY IN THAT TIME.I TRIED TO CONTACT YOU LOOK :
"
Dark.Phoenix: 23.10.08 | 22:24 | #11


Remembering that you have to agree with the matchdate on this page with a comment.
19:00 CET = 18:00 GMT

Thanks , See ya in the game. ^^"

BUT AGAIN , NO ANSWERS.


And We'll have to play wednesday 29th 19:00 GMT is a suggestion , at least in my interpretation , that i agreed with.IF IT HAS ANOTHER SIGNIFICATION , YOU SHOULD EXPLAIN BETTER.

posted at 30.10.2008, 02:16

ok lets not make the problem larger than it is, there was a confusion by our team, we also never agreed to the time they set cuz we were thinking it was agreed at the time we thought, as you can see we want to play this match as much as dark.phoenix wants the default win admins please make this match happen!! force a date and we will be there.

No more.

posted at 30.10.2008, 02:18

You are asking something impossible.

No more.

posted at 30.10.2008, 02:24

u are the only one try too this impossible , so i hope the admi see that...

No more.

posted at 30.10.2008, 02:26

Me and the law (rules that you don't read)

No more *.*

posted at 30.10.2008, 02:48

The point here is that we WANT to play, just because there was confusion(and the teams did not agree to a date for the match) does not give you the right to declare yourselves winners. We gave a hell of a game on our first round and i think thats what this tournament is about, not default wins...which is what u want so badly.

Administrators please take this post in consideration and make this match happen, force a date for this match. This is my last post because there's no point posting it all over again.

posted at 30.10.2008, 02:53

this must be the longest thread in this forum so far..and I'm apart of this! LOL

k..please continue..

posted at 30.10.2008, 03:01

The round #2 is over... By the rules , no games are aceptable anymore , I-T-S I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E.
You guys wants to play ,we also wanted , but the time for it is gone... Because of YOUR CONFUSION (not our , don't redirect it as our mistake - You wrote 18:00 GMT and we followed this time)that made you don't show up for the match.
By the rules , it's a default wins for us , and it's right.


And i Really hope this is your last post because im so tired of words and words to cover your fault.

posted at 30.10.2008, 03:37

i know i dont have anything to do with this..but here's a suggestion..why dont both team play for the sake of fun of it..take it out as training for upcoming tourny? XD

the losing team (I think team Valhalla?) dont have anything to lose in the 1st place anyway..there isnt any fee involved and the judge worked for basically foc so no need to thrash talk them (not that Im saying you guys were)

there's always next time and I'm looking forward to you guys match as I'm sure it will be hell exciting =)

*grouphug*

dont flame me..

meh..it cant be helped I guess..

flame on! lol

posted at 30.10.2008, 21:32

Bringing up the post.
We need an avaliation here as fast as possible.
The #3 Round is already running.

I'm almost sure , by the rules , they lost (Team Valhalla) by Default win .They've writen the wrong time (for them ) so we could't play (but we were there to play in the time said) because they don't show up for match.

Admins , please take a position.

posted at 30.10.2008, 21:52

im almost sure we dont lost,just because there was confusion(and the teams did not agree to a date for the match) does not give you the right to declare yourselves winners. We gave a hell of a game on our first round and i think thats what this tournament is about, not default wins...which is what u want so badly.
Soo admins check that...

posted at 30.10.2008, 21:53

1.2. It is mandatory for all teams and players to read and fully understand the Kode5 DotA Challenge rules & regulations. Ignorance of the tournament’s regulations won’t protect you from punishment.

*They haven't read anything , as You can see , they set the match for 22:00pm in brazil (It's 01:00 30th CET - OUT of #2 Round time)

3.8. Both teams have to agree on a matchdate in the given period of time for every round (see rule 3.5 & rule 3.6). To get in contact with your opponent you are required to use the comment function at the matchpage.

*They missed in communication with our team , Note in matchpage that their last comment before 29th 22:43 (we couldn't play in this time anymore because we would need to find a neutral hoster also set pick/bans , that would take a lot of time and we won't gonna play in the given time for round #2) was in 23th (the first day of the round - they neither communicated ,neither confirmed the time).

*The time set (as everyone can see in match page) agreeded by Vha|Cybernegro was 18:00 GMT or 19:00 CET/20:00 CET (Summer time).We were there as the screenshots posted in the top of the post can prove but team Valhalla weren't).

3.10. When both teams agreed on a matchdate one member of each team has to post respectively validate it on the matchpage using the comment function. Please remember to also add a specific location (Garena [recommended], MSN, IRC) where your teams are going to meet. Please take into consideration that the process of looking for a host / ping-checking a host / banning & picking takes A LOT of time and should be done 45 minutes before the actual match is scheduled. The post you should finally write on the matchpage looks similar to the following lines: “Team A agrees to play at October, 30th 2009 22:00 CET. We will meet in the Kode5.dota tournament room (Garena) @ 21:15 CET for bans and picks/looking for a host).” – “Team B agrees on the proposal of Team A.”).

*Another Rule broken by them , they didn't confirm the matchdate.Also they didn't said a place to meet both teams , I tried , but no answers to confirm it.

3.9. Teams that are not cooperative when it comes to the scheduling process or simply do not show up will be disqualified immediately.

*They did not show up in time as the screen proves(I think it is 18:00 GMT , as they haven't confirmed)

3.13. Matches which have not been finished after the deadline are counted as a default loss for both teams, except one team did not show up in time or was not able to provide 5 players.

*Team Valhalla didn't show up in time , Team Ovo Esquerdo did.

3.17. If your opponent does not show up more than 30 minutes after the agreed time, you can request a default win. Please remember that you have to proof to the admins that your opponent did not show up in time. Consider taking screenshots showing the meeting point you agreed on and an unmodifiable clock like http://www.atomzeit.eu/.

*The topic is here for.

3.19. Please keep in mind that you have to document any irregularity you want our admins to have a look on. Without evidence no decisions will be made.

*I've evidenced it with 2 screenshots and also a comment in match page that they just asnwered 3 hours later (they were late)

3.9. Teams that are not cooperative when it comes to the scheduling process or simply do not show up will be disqualified immediately.

*Team Valhalla didn't show up for too long on matchpage to set the game , so it's instantly disqualification for them.



Look how many rules they've broken!! Isn't it enought?

posted at 30.10.2008, 21:59

Im dont wanna start again soo , let the admin check both points...soo im hope do the better 4 both teams ...

posted at 30.10.2008, 22:16

Your whole ASSUMPTION of us breaking the rules, was because of this whole MISUNDERSTANDING of BOTH teams. Both of us were thinking in TWO different match times.

We were prepared to play a game in a certain hour, the same logic applies to your team. Stop saying that "We breaked the rules" because we knew the rules perfectly fine.

I don't know how many times do I have to tell you what a "Misunderstanding" is. Let the admins decide at last, whether we can still play or not (Since we didn't even play at all) if you wanna keep winning your games by a default win without even playing the game, that's up to you, but us at least wanna have the opportunity to prove ourselves.

posted at 30.10.2008, 22:22

The Confusion was caused because YOU GUYS DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IS GMT TIME!
It's fault of YOUR TEAM , SO NOT OUR.
AS ASSUMED BY VHA|CYBERNEGRO :

"Vha|Cybernegro
#8
posted at 30.10.2008, 00:20
Yes now i know what GMT means. Im sorry, i was trying to say 18:00pm our time that would be 18:00 GMT+6, we are now aware of that. But we want to make this match happen. Our team has much offer to this tournament and dont think its fair that we lose like this. If the administrators agree we are available to anyday anytime that team ovo esquerdo wants to. "

SO You guys set for 18:00 GMT as Vha|Cybernegro said in matchpage (everyone can see it acessing there)

WE WERE THERE as the screenshots proved , and you guys weren't.

ONCE AGAIN : THE MISTAKE WAS YOURS.

AND DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS RULE ?
3.13. Matches which have not been finished after the deadline are counted as a default loss for both teams, except one team did not show up in time or was not able to provide 5 players.

NO MORE MATCHS AFTER THE DEAD LINE!!!!
And Default win is right for our team , because you failed in the process!!!!!!! not us , as the rules says!

That's enought. Or should I explain again ?

posted at 30.10.2008, 22:38

3.8. Both teams have to agree on a matchdate in the given period of time for every round (see rule 3.5 & rule 3.6). To get in contact with your opponent you are required to use the comment function at the matchpage.

BOTH TEAMS. We never agreed, and anyone can see it on the match page. Again, we provided a day and hour suitable for us, Cybernegro already stated that he meant P.M (Post mediridiem)Hence the confusion.

3.9. Teams that are not cooperative when it comes to the scheduling process or simply do not show up will be disqualified immediately.

We were always cooperative, as anyone can see on the match page, ACCORDING to your asummption of the match time, we didn't show up. Once again using the same logic, you ALSO didn't showed up to our match time. (6:00PM Mexico's Hour)


3.13. Matches which have not been finished after the deadline are counted as a default loss for both teams, except one team did not show up in time or was not able to provide 5 players.

There was NO MATCH. We still want to play. Last lines of this paragraph says that "except one team did not show up in time or was not able to provide 5 players" That's what I've been trying to explain this whole TIME. See my explanation above.

posted at 30.10.2008, 22:55

1- How do you wanna set a time if you never agreed with one time ? Your fault. He suitable and i had confirmed.
2- Always cooperative for you is just enter in the first day of the round and just provide a day suitable for you and never more appear to confirm the matchdate?
3- How can I know its 6:00PM on mexico if you said 18:00 GMT on matchpage ? lol
4- YEA there was no match , so the deadline arrived and still NO MATCH , so , no more GAMES.And the fact is that YOU didn't show up in time (18:00 GMT suggested by Vha|Cybernegro and confirmed by me) as the screenshots proves.